A New Take On Crowd Sourcing & A Discussion About Haters: Podcast Episode 12

by John Oszajca on March 18, 2014

Patreon LogoIn this episode of the Music Marketing Manifesto Podcast Tyler Palmer joins us to discuss Patreon; crowd funding platform with a twist.

We also have a frank discussion about haters and trolls, what’s normal, and whether or not it’s worth taking any of it on board. We also share some of the more outlandish hate mail/comments/tweets that we’ve received over our careers. Warning: There is going to be some swearing in this episode :-0

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And as always, I’d love to hear what you think about the topics discussed on this episode. What do you think of Patreon and how it compares to other platforms such as Kickstarter? And how does the inevitable negativity that goes along with success effect you? Worth considering or creativity-killing nonsense?

{ 9 comments… read them below or add one }

Mikey June 25, 2014 at 4:03 pm

“Your drawing killed my mother.”

Oh yes, that’s a real comment, from a guy who was really looking to ‘get his money back.’

Besides playing music, I also work as a caricature artist (another type of entertainment.) And I’d like to think that I’m pretty good. Still, you get the haters, no matter what. People love to hate.

Over the years (and 11,000 faces) I have heard all kinds of negative, disparaging, and downright weird comments… to the point where I now see them as comedy, and laugh them off with my fellow artists.
The bottom line is, I stopped defending my work. It is what it is. What another person likes or hates is their own business, not mine.

These days, I do what I do, and I let the comments roll off my back.

I posted a list of the worst here:

Take a minute and give it a quick read.
I hope you get a kick out of it.

Perhaps after reading the list, you can always say to yourself, “Well, it could be worse.”


Mikey June 25, 2014 at 4:49 pm

BTW, I should have mentioned –
Awesome podcast. I enjoyed it, and loved the ‘hater comments’ part. πŸ™‚


John Oszajca June 26, 2014 at 7:14 pm

Hi Mikey,

Thanks for the kind words. Happy to hear you are digging the podcast. The hater part was something I wanted to do for a while and it was a lot of fun.

Thanks for sharing your hater stories too.

Let me know if I can ever help with anything.


Jeff Michaels March 18, 2014 at 9:37 pm

OMG. These are hilarious! I LOVE the douchebag ones. And totally agree – why is YouTube the place of gathering for all haters? I don’t get it. If I were Katy Perry I would cry at the number of comments that just bash for bashing sake. But here’s the great thing – Google doesn’t care if a comment is bad or good! It helps your SEO. Let them vent. Be the bigger fish. I mean, unless you get 100% bad comments. Then you probably are a douchebag. Can’t help you there. πŸ˜‰

Great podcast guys! Thanks!!!


John Oszajca March 18, 2014 at 10:39 pm

Hi Jeff,

That’s Funny. You’re totally right too. πŸ™‚

Thanks for listening in and I’m glad you had fun. Let me know if I can ever help with anything.


Xerxes March 18, 2014 at 8:44 pm

This podcast was GREAT. I remember reading some of those nasty facebook ad comments when they happened. haha…yeas they sound so DUMBASS when you read them outloud. It’s agreat excercise. Everyone should do it.

We actually get a lot of mileage out of bad comments. We’ve had some that were so epic and inflamatory from a certain group online that it turned into an entire blog article (which only our subscribing fans can read).

We’ve even used excerpts from bad reviews in some of our press kits and advertising – everyone wants to know what all the controversy is about!


John Oszajca March 18, 2014 at 10:41 pm

Awesome. Really glad that you liked this one. It was a lot of fun. I kind of like the idea of using a negative comment in your marketing. Comes off as very confident to my mind.

Thanks for listening.


Ken D. Webber March 18, 2014 at 4:15 pm

I have four categories. Positive good is the best, when you do something right and you get a really good response. Positive bad is when you do something mediocre and instead of being told it’s bad, people kiss your ass, which does you a dis-service. Negative good is when people tell you the negatives but do so only with the hope that you’ll correct your errors. And Negative bad when people are just being malicious to be hateful. I’m liking Patreon (as a creator and a patron) and I’ve been seriously scaling back my Kickstarter support in favor of more Patreon support.


John Oszajca March 18, 2014 at 8:26 pm

Hey Ken, thanks for listening and for sharing your take on things. That’s great to hear that you are making head way with Patreon.


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